Nearly to the finish line.
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Topic: Nearly to the finish line.
Posted By: dog78
Subject: Nearly to the finish line.
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 22:27
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What a year, but I am close to getting this Superstock finished at last and then back to the Aprilia which hasn't been run for two years. The Superstock has been to Seton tuning and been flashed, mapped and rider's aid package loaded on so all the traction control has changed. The hp has gone up to 207 at the back wheel, tbh I wasn't really bothered about that just that throttle sorted. Also the wheelie control cuts one cylinder at a time not all four at once like oem. Got four race maps all full power with varying engine braking. Managed to find some Hong-Kong plastics for it and the paint finish was a complete surprise, never expected that for what they cost, a bargain. Two bikes, the factory has been ridden since 2018 and the Superstock since Almeria last October. Hopefully it will will be finished and the Aprilia too before the end of the year. All I want to do is ride them next year no more work as that will be both finished. Next winter a thumb brake for the Rideo Bull and that is it. Almeria in April, going with my mate who's just bought a 2020 Aprilia RSV4, a run it in and it had a engine management light, they could not sort it so they are giving him a new bike. He reckons it awesome, but I ain't getting no more bikes, so the R1 is rather special so is the factory. I will be back on the forum in the general section as I start on the Aprilia in the winter. I gave missed riding the Aprilia, a lot more enjoyable than the Rodeo on the road. Be intresting to see how the Aprilia and the 5 year old R1 matches up. I am hoping it will be close, I going to have a go on the Aprilia at Almeria to see what it is like, and no I won't buy one π€£, i couldn't part with the two bikes I got ππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 22:40
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Those r1βs are a stunning bike and itβs got some serious go, very nice.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 08:05
426hemi wrote:
Those r1βs are a stunning bike and itβs got some serious go, very nice. |
Thanks hemi, talking about serious go, your latest acquisition is very impressive in that department also that has been on a carbon diet tooππ. I think hemi that is as late as I want to go with my bikes, although I liked the the 2020 RSV4 and it an amazing bike that my friend bought, it is of the peg bike. It can adjust the suspension for every corner on a circuit which is amazing and from road settings to race, just at the touch of a button and loads more. Maybe I am just getting old, or I just like modified bikes, but I don't seem to long for the new bikes like I did when I was younger. Whenever I take the R1 or the Aprilia out, which has been a while π€£. There is always interest shown in them and questions asked. I have put so much effort into both bikes I really couldn't part with either of them. The one thing about that R1 I absolutely love is the exhaust note, and when you are riding it, even more impressive. I would love to hear your feedback on that rocket you just bought, that is going to some fun and super quick with that weight and that power. I hope you get a chance to have a proper ride on it soon. Should have bought something like that myself, all the work done and someone's wallet took a serious hiding for the a work plus serious parts that are on it ππππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 08:22
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Paul at pcr performance had an r1 in that heβd converted to track spec for a customer, cost £35,000 in total and the guy did 400 miles on it and decided he didnβt want it as all his mates had bought s1000rrβs and he wanted one of those, I was offered it for £16,000 but had just bought all the bits for my gixxer, out of all the modern il4βs the r1 is what Iβd buy. I canβt wait to get out on the blade if we get some dry weather soon, gonna be a learning curve.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 09:04
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Mine is up to 20k, so that bike you was offered was an absolute bargain. I was offered some PFM brakes for it which I would have bought, but I got some hpk calipers and discs already so I turned it down, and they would have been another step up. We took a R1 with 330mm pfms like you have as well, and when you was behind it on track, you had to stay staggered as it used scrub speed off in way that looked unrealπ. I saw a fast rider on that bike and it come down the start and finish straight and make five places, it was shocking, even more so for the riders that it passed π. I don't think I will build anymore, I think I will take a page out your book and buy something like the bikes you buy, also you have no chance of getting your money back if you build your own. Where as that one that PCR R1 at that price you would always be safe and probably make a profit if you were to sell it. I reckon that blade weighs less than mine for sure and with them wheels it will spin up very quickly. I think you might get a bit of shock, that is proper light, let me know how get on, and hold on tight π. When I bought that R1 and it was virtually in its oem guise, my mate said keep your chest on the tank when you come out the corners, I thought he was exaggerating, but when it wheelied cranked over the and the got into a tank slap, after that I did cover the tank with my chest and threw out the electronic damper too. You got to be on top of them bikes all the time, otherwise in a spilt second you got problems that start mounting up the fast π Enjoy your ride on that lightweight rocketππ
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 09:22
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I think your Factory is a beautiful bike but that superstock is a machine! In Spain too without noise restrictions I bet is sounds menacing. Don't sound friendly do they π
You'll have to let us know how those granny knitted tyre warmers go π€
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 10:56
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Lovely stuff
I was once following Phil Seton in an endurance race albeit briefly.
It was very very wet and coming out of red gate I noticed he tapped the power on with little bike protest and so thought, Iβll have a slice of that thank you and promptly high-sided whilst his R1 happily made traction control type stutter noises off into the distance
He destroyed one at Brands in practice day prior to race and overnight went and got and rebuilt another machine out of this replacement road bike
------------- Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020 www.apriliaperformance.co.uk www.apworkshops.co.uk
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 11:08
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Hi blacklines, since it came back from Seton it sounds angry, the crossplane engine always felt lazy when reviewing, not like my Trevor Nation NW200 motor which was a bit of full Yohsi GS 1000 with no rotor on it, so that would make it responsive π. But that motor and the RGB 500 MK7 motor were always almost frightening, I say that more exiting mixed with that, I used to get off both of them and I couldn't even make a roll up with my handson because they used to shake so much. The RGB I only had a few goes on as it weren't mine, and I got a go on it when the rider was injured π. I was expecting the R1 to be the same as those two, but somehow it wasn't. I don't know if it was the electronics, whichI were holding it back, on track I rode in TC1, it just wasn't right.But now I can down to half nearly at 40% reduction π¬ But i think that has all changed, hopefully I will find out soon. When it starts now it's weird, the revs go up and down really strange, and it does the same thing every time. The noise of them is so unique, it is the strangest noise, it has the gp can on it now which looks miles better, but it retains the two silencers in the belly pan. The Aprilia hurt my ears on the Aprilia day, but I don't know if it was my bike or all the V4s on track π. I have a credit with FE from this April gone and it has to be used up by May next year. So we are hoping to go to Almeria next April. It would be great if you could come too, we normally do five days which is about 475 quid, proper bargain that. Then Portimao I would like to go to as well. Have you rode there at all? I heard it is properHilly and braking down hill at the end of the straight π. They will resurface it before the GP this year so it will be worth a look. As soon as I first ride that Superstock after this work, I will know if it is sorted. It has took a lot of sorting out too, the Yoyodyne slipper, the autoblipper and the the throttle made it difficult to ride, around the Melbourne loop it was so bad I had to slip the clutch, the Aprilia was ten times better and that is a twin. I have either wasted a lot of money or finally got the bike I wanted π. If you come to Spain, you can take it out for a session, give you a workout, it is very stable tbf, and you can lay blacklines as your namesake everywhere π. I have changed so much on it, it is going to feel like a different bike, got some Seton clipons that feel like motocross bars π, they are the Rodeo Bull's horns you will need them to hold on to it. π. I have changed the brake pads from SC2s Brembo to SBS Race sintered. I went to look at dual sintered sbs 334quid ffs π. GPFAX? π€
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:23
dog78 wrote:
Hi blacklines, since it came back from Seton it sounds angry, the crossplane engine always felt lazy when reviewing, not like my Trevor Nation NW200 motor which was a bit of full Yohsi GS 1000 with no rotor on it, so that would make it responsive π.But that motor and the RGB 500 MK7 motor were always almost frightening, I say that more exiting mixed with that, I used to get off both of them and I couldn't even make a roll up with my handson because they used to shake so much. The RGB I only had a few goes on as it weren't mine, and I got a go on it when the rider was injured π. I was expecting the R1 to be the same as those two, but somehow it wasn't. I don't know if it was the electronics, whichI were holding it back, on track I rode in TC1, it just wasn't right.But now I can down to half nearly at 40% reduction π¬ But i think that has all changed, hopefully I will find out soon. When it starts now it's weird, the revs go up and down really strange, and it does the same thing every time. The noise of them is so unique, it is the strangest noise, it has the gp can on it now which looks miles better, but it retains the two silencers in the belly pan. The Aprilia hurt my ears on the Aprilia day, but I don't know if it was my bike or all the V4s on track π. I have a credit with FE from this April gone and it has to be used up by May next year. So we are hoping to go to Almeria next April. It would be great if you could come too, we normally do five days which is about 475 quid, proper bargain that. Then Portimao I would like to go to as well. Have you rode there at all? I heard it is properHilly and braking down hill at the end of the straight π. They will resurface it before the GP this year so it will be worth a look. As soon as I first ride that Superstock after this work, I will know if it is sorted. It has took a lot of sorting out too, the Yoyodyne slipper, the autoblipper and the the throttle made it difficult to ride, around the Melbourne loop it was so bad I had to slip the clutch, the Aprilia was ten times better and that is a twin. I have either wasted a lot of money or finally got the bike I wanted π. If you come to Spain, you can take it out for a session, give you a workout, it is very stable tbf, and you can lay blacklines as your namesake everywhere π. I have changed so much on it, it is going to feel like a different bike, got some Seton clipons that feel like motocross bars π, they are the Rodeo Bull's horns you will need them to hold on to it. π. I have changed the brake pads from SC2s Brembo to SBS Race sintered. I went to look at dual sintered sbs 334quid ffs π. GPFAX? π€ |
Part of that relative laziness might also be engines getting more easy to ride as time goes on. See it even in cars too don't you. Sometimes excitement doesn't always equal speed.
Yeah would love to ride Almeria and they do seem cheap trips. Got another baby on the way in March though and promised my wife I'd be off track for next couple years while they're little. Or she tells me I did anyway, ha, just when I was planning a day at Cadwell recently π
I've only ever ridden my Mille (stock, about 115hp probably) and Mark's k7 750 which are both in completely different worlds to your R1. Reckon it'd take commitment to hold it wide open down the straights. Proper warp speed I bet.
Yeah I think if you're looking that kind of money for pads I'd be more looking Brembo Z04. At least you know then they'd also last well. SBS DC carbon for me next time.
------------- Owen
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:34
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Yeah Portimao looks good, never been myself. Looks a proper rollercoaster. There's crests where some bikes jump and that really fast left hander that runs through a massive dip. Haven't seen another track like it.
In Spain I've ridden Catalunya and Parcmotor. Recommend both. Catalunya is one of the best circuits in the world and Parcmotor is a very heavily underrated circuit. Half the track runs uphill, then the other half comes back down. The downhill section you go over a bridge into a right, then a tighter right, then double apex left. Feels great on the brakes.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:35
wigginsjp wrote:
Lovely stuff
I was once following Phil Seton in an endurance race albeit briefly.
It was very very wet and coming out of red gate I noticed he tapped the power on with little bike protest and so thought, Iβll have a slice of that thank you and promptly high-sided whilst his R1 happily made traction control type stutter noises off into the distance
He destroyed one at Brands in practice day prior to race and overnight went and got and rebuilt another machine out of this replacement road bike |
Hi wigginsjp, I am glad you see traction control in a favorable way, I had some friends say it's cheating, they may say that but when you have that much hp at the back wheel it would be more than a handful. When I was at Almeria, which wasn't a great trip as I had a few problems, but towards the end of the five days coming onto the back straight with that slide control was the biggest gun I had in ages. The hardest thing to get used to it wheeling out of corners cranked over, I have got used to it now. Trusting the electronics is not easy but the more often it does things like that the more you get acustomed to it. Unless you want to ride classic bikes, I don't see a problem with TC. I get just as much enjoyment from riding the Aprilia, it is just different. The way i look at it, it is available and you can have fun with a little safety, like my leathers a bit expensive but I really can't afford much more damage to the right shoulder. I did ask Phil what it is like in mode 1 , he laughed and said lively, very lively π€£. I will ride it in 3, as he does, but shall give it a little go on a straight bit of road to see how lively it really is π. My hardest thing to learn, which I am getting better at is going into the corners with a closed throttle, found it very alien at first, but like the electronics, I am getting used to it. They are all teaching this now, even when I watched Simon Crafer moto and voodoo guide to Almeria he says the same. It shocked me how the bike holds such a tight line, but the tyres have changed massively in a quarter of a century, the time I had off track π€£. One more day of tuition at Almeria and I will get the hang of closed throttle corner entry. Tbh I think if anyone rode these bikes with massive bhp with the electronics, I think they would be lying if they said I would rather ride without it, or they must be immensely talented π€£. Smashing yourself up is no fun and in your later year it comes back to haunt you. My late friend was going to move toa hotter climate as his body would hurt in damp conditions. Anything that prevents injury is a good thing, and they are no less exciting to ride, it will be common thing soon and you can buy virtually 10year old bikes with TC. It's great to talk to everyone again, and I will be needing all your brains again for the Aprilia's last evolution build βοΈπππ
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 13:15
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blacklines you will be OK on the beast, it demands a bit of respect or it will have your pant down π€£. The handling is out of this world, the Ohlins forks are Darren's personal forks from MCT which have been modified by him so quite unique, whilst they may not make you faster they are very forgiving as I found out when I got it a bit crossed up π€£. It will be a great experience fir ya, just watch it out of corners, it is like being fired out a cannon, it has them big bars on it, Ohlins steering damper, just remember to be over the front of it, otherwise it want to come out of your hands. You can control it better especially if the front starts rising. It only has full power maps now, no rain map. I am sure you will enjoy it. Might take your breath away girt few laps, you don't have to go flat out even at half its power it's quick, just stay in your comfort zone and it will be a great experience. Yes I want to go to Catalunya, my mate loves it there. But Portimao I want to do after Almeria. My mate stayed in a hotel on the circuit or very close by and he took a picture of it from his room, and roller-coaster is how he described it, said that down hill braking take some balls. They have two blind crests at Almeria, the one before turn 3 is nice, but as you go over it and you are turning in blind, it unloads the suspension. You don't want to be doing any silly inputs over that rise, our mate did and he went into that desert, I was watching on top of the garages and it looked like a mushroom cloud off an Atomic bomb, the bike looked like it had the bomb dropped off on it π π€£ π. I will post on here when it is ready for booking π. I done the baby thing, she is nearly 21,you can't win you are either young with commitments or too old, or like me old but foolhardy π€£π
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 14:18
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Ha no, at the time and money poor stage right now but richer for it in other ways. I see a lot of people stop when they have kids and then don't come back for a long time. It's a real passion for me and only just getting started really so I definitely want to get back to it as soon as is realistic. Wanting to try my hand at racing when I do too.
Catalunya you spend most of the lap leaned over. Only really have a break on the front straight, then you're either braking or cornering until you get back to the start again. Reckon you'd be easily doing over 180mph down the front straight there. About 1km long and you hit it from a fast right hander. Was doing 155mph on the Mille (redline in 6th with 15/42 gearing) but losing over a hundred metres down that straight to R1s and V4s. Was amazing the speed difference, especially being used to places like Cadwell where power doesn't make that much difference.
I really want to ride Jerez. Always like the look of it there, some good long and fast corners.
Never ridden a bike with TC before. Luckily with the Mille the combination of low power, torquey output and predictable power delivery have meant any slides I've had so far have felt easy to control.
------------- Owen
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 15:48
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Haha, we have done that skint stage too, signing cheques with a 50 quid guarantee card for engine rebuilds and the getting arethe best cards taken away π€£. By the end of the season we looked like tramps π€£. You are doing it the right way, I didn't buy a house till I was 29 years old π€£. When we were at Almeria there was a gen 1 with twenty stone rider on it, he was unpredictable too, I showed a bit of patience overtook coming on to the back straight, I gave him as much of a gap as possible. I know what you mean about speed difference , that R1 was like a missile going past him. 188 is what I clocked down there, Chris on the Hoops R1 with PFM brakes and he was in the fast group clocked 193", they were probably going faster because of the 200/60 tyres and they weren't M models so only supposed to run 190s. Braking from them speeds is a bit different too, they gain so much ground so quickly. That Hoops bike with the Nova gearbox was ballistic, the gears were close it sounded like a seamless box. You won't notice the TC working especially around 3 and down, but out of the Melbourne loop I really thought it was going to fall over I was asking for power and it would only give me as much as i would ask for, because of the RBW throttle. The first time it started to slide I came back into the pits and asked and they said it will only let it go out 4 to 5 inches and no more, so I went out the next session and found that is all that happened, and left mist of the slick on the cornerπ. You would love it, that is one thing that is hard to beat on that bike the corner exit with slide control is gradual too. The abs is removed, if you change the master it can get worse, I didn't want to chance it, if the back wheel lifts I heard it will release the brake π. You will be a convert of the electronics for sure. I will post on here the difference after the mapping in a couple of weeks, I really don't know what to expect π€π¬ππ
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 16:08
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Yeah I've heard bad things about ABS causing you to run on. Realistically you're not going to lock the front on the brakes are you. Not upright anyway.
Ha heifers on gen 1s. I was 106kg (over 16.5 stone) but I've been losing weight lately, down to just under 100kg now. At 6'6" that is though so carrying some fat but not obese. Whenever I think about how much the Mille weighs and how big it is compared to modern stuff I just remember that I'm not exactly Pedrosa either ππ
Slide control sounds amazing. If it's fairly subtle and seamless then it can only be a good thing can't it. And necessary when you're looking at 207hp. I always imagine the Mille being like a tractor, when they spin their wheels they don't spin up really quickly but just continue to rotate a bit faster than the ground. Built in traction control. Compare that to my mate who high sided out of barn at Cadwell on his 750. With next to no warning it went from gripping, to breaking traction, to spinning right up in revs. He's not ridden since and is only really just getting over the injuries.
With either a lot of power or that kind of power delivery you really want something to catch that. Otherwise if you don't want a crash that stops you ever riding again you'll just always have to leave a lot of margin for error. With the opportunity to just do controlled slides out of corners I think most of us would take it. And what quick rider would say no. There's bravado but only from people who don't know what they're talking about. Lots say no to ABS but I never hear anyone say to disconnect TC.
------------- Owen
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 10:34
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6ft 6" haha, Adam (Padded cell) whom I offered a go on the R1 said he would have leg surgery to fit into it π. Might have to drop the rear sets for you, Adam is 6ft4", that's the trouble nowadays for tall riders, the sports bikes are ridiculously small. I think the BMW is the roomiest sports bike now, the new Aprilia is tiny too, my mate who had one for 3 weeks before he gave it back, said it was smaller than the R1. I hope your mate makes a full recovery, if all this safety was around when I was younger, I would have done my best to afford it. It is even more important when you're younger as you can't really afford to have much time out of work. I guess when you are older you don't mend as quick, I don't know if I want to go through that pain again if i can help it. To be honest I tried to provoke the abs on the road but I really couldn't get it to cut in, I have lifted the back sometimes, so I thought it would be best if it was not on. The race abs is incredible and can cope with track conditions, well for trackday riding. There's a difference between the two, the race even let's you brake lent over, I think the Aprilias have had it for a while. I wouldn't be without abs, but I would still take the Aprilia on track. I take some liberties with that rsv but it never complains and has never faltered, but it has had a lot done to it. When we go back to the hotel in Spain after a day on track, they said that I was laying black lines everywhere, I didn't believe them but Simon had followed me around for three laps and videoed it. Tbh i was shocked, it is a hard thing to explain to someone, it is something that you have to experience. I overtook a sit up and beg Suzuki 750 on the inside, and I wanted not to be in his way as he went wide and was tipping in too. I opened that throttle up just a tad too quick, and it lifted the front and spun up the back and I wasn't upright haha. I need to explore what you can get away with it but it is difficult, sometimes you think that was cool, but you realise it wasn't you, so it is always in the background but very difficult to say when it is assisting you.π
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 11:05
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I think that's all flexibility to be honest. I mean I can squat down so I'm sat on my heels so no pegs are too high for me. I have them as high as they go on the Mille too. More important is a nice stretch to the clipons. And being able to fit knees under the sharp tank cutout on the plastic tank gen 1. I've sat on an RSV4 at a bike show and though it looks tiny it feels at least as comfy as my old barge. Obviously just look a bit silly whatever bike I ride ha.
Mike Edwards has ABS on his S1000rr and he says he has no grief with it. It's possible that modern ABS is that good it doesn't create issue and maybe it's just a hangover from the early days of ABS. Though I've also heard generally it's been better on European bikes than Japanese.
Yeah I've had the same thing with the black lines. You don't even know you're doing it at the time do you. Think it's the beauty of the RSV in how controllable it is. Might lack power but you can definitely get it down sooner. Where even a 600 would give little moments, the RSV just lays down rubber while driving forward. Then the 600 glides by on the straight π You should try sticking a rear facing camera on.
Or did you mean you were doing that with the R1?
Wheelspinning wheelies while leant over ha. The electronics must be decent to allow that and not just leave you wanting more power it refuses to give you. I think if you're too hamfisted it has to take more drastic measures to keep things in check so it must be a combination of you and the electronics. That's half the work of GP riders isn't it, being smooth enough to reduce how much the electronics interfere. Think power is always in surplus and it's just a case of what % of the available power the electronics can let through.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 11:27
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Yes I meant the R1 it lays rubber down all the time, but the tyre wear is really good. It sometimes does feel like a GP bike when it does antics like that time I undertook the Suzuki, you know it ain't you, you might like to to think so haha, but it is the electronics. That is the hardest thing to get used to, I have only done two trackdays on it,but like the rsv it's all testing really. It took me some time to get the rsv sorted. The R1 is almost there now if that throttle has a smooth transistion from closed to open, with the tweeked rider's aids it will be some bike. The old dog just has to learn some new tricks to ride it, I rode it a day forgetting about the autoblipper, that is amazing aid too., if you remember to use it hahaπ
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Posted By: Diablo
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 14:56
The bike is a monster Rich and I've loved watching it take shape!
It's stunning and a credit to you mate 
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 15:19
Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 16:41
How did I miss this thread
Great to see you back too bud love seeing all these trick machines.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 20:35
badapple wrote:
How did I miss this thread
Great to see you back too bud love seeing all these trick machines. |
Hi Adam,I hope you're keeping well mate. How the trackbike and that lovely Triumph? I hopefully can get this Superstock finished the I am looking forward to getting the Aprilia on the bench, sort the clutch out, service. Fit the Corsa Corta clutch master and the PFM rear caliper. It will be nice to hear it again, it has been silent for two years now. Adam if you come across a smoked indicator lenses, give us a shout. It is the nearside one I want. They ain't a easy to find. When you coming to Spain with us, a few us could go from this forum, RSV. net forum Spanish Jolly outing on track ππ€£πππ
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 20:47
Hey mate , I'm doing really well just about to get into my new job and really looking forward to it. 675 is running like a dream, ZX6R has had a bit of time and money thrown at it and I've done a couple of days on it and a foreign trip is high on the agenda so that sounds good to me bud!
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 20:49
Re indicator I'll keep an eye out for ya be great for you to get that ape on the road again although the stocker sounds loopy
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 21:09
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Thanks Adam, glad you are keeping well. Yes it might be a bit psychotic in Pwr1, I have been told to keep away from that, unless I am very brave ππ€£π. We will see, I got a camera that I might stick on it and film the nutter. Trackdays are going nuts, I see that girl overtake someone in the novice group tangle up with him, basically smash into him sideways, take him of the bike, the bike is doing cartwheels totally smashed up. She doesn't look around and carry on as nothing had happened. Then somone apologising because hua sump plug fell out and few people got taken off on the oil. Yes let's all go to Spain or Portugal, hopefully we won't meet up them idiots there π€£ππ€£π
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2020 at 08:31
Drop me a message when you are booking the trip I've got a bit saved up and I'd love to come Rich
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2020 at 10:28
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I would love you to come Adam, I drop will you a message and post it on here. But before I will get the names of everyone who is interested and see if we can book a date which suits the majority. Plus anyone that wants to come just for the sunshine and be on trackside, I think it was 30 quid for B&B for friends and relatives. At present there is only one date for Almeria in Feb, I guess they are waiting to see how this Covid situation pans out. We were thinking of the end of April, Portimao is one at that time for 3 days, but for the same money we could get 5 days in Almeria. They are going to resurface it soon in redines for the last motogp. I heard it is tough circuit to get grips with, saying that I thought the same about Almeria, hating it for the first couple of days, warming to it the next couple of days and then loving it for the last two π€£π. Portimao is very hilly and up and down, a lot of blind crests and braking down hill at the end of the straight π. I doubt you will want to do any UK days after that, I will give M9rko a shout too, they had a baby about a year ago and I think he was taking a little break. You can have a go on the Rodeo Bull too, it has great handling with top drawer suspension, brakes and wheels, so it is easy to ride. To tip it in takes no effort, just think about it and it is into the turn. Also it would be a great opportunity for a few of us to meet, spend some time on track, and and mix that with a few beers in the evenings and sunshine. That would be a great laugh and memorable trip for all. I think Diablo should come with us too, I think we could all do with a little break after this year ππ
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Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2020 at 11:32
Everybody should do foreign trackdays at least once,trouble is after 3 or 4 days on a decent track in the sun suddenly a wet Cadwell loses it's attraction 
They can be incredible value for money although the overall cost can double by the time you factor in flights,car hire and beer.
I would think flights would be the clincher now as even Ryanscare have grounded most of their fleet so what flights there are will be sought after and as a result more expensive.
Do yourself a favour and give these guys a try
http://www.pacedayz.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.pacedayz.com/
Far better than that bunch of cowboys N L 
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Looking forward to the next track day
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 10:34
Like we discussed on the phone ages ago Rich I'm well up for it especially now I've changed jobs and actually get paid holiday! Either Feb or April ia good for me as long as I get enough warning to arrange time off and my missus can also to watch the girls. It would be great to get away with you lot definitely a RSVR.NET jolly! Ian I've heard good things about pacedayz and al so redline. Trouble is as you say everybody I know who's done one said that the UK days fall well short in comparison .
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 11:07
2 Spanish trips haven't ruined UK circuits for me. Though I reckon portimao will make Cadwell feel like a go kart track.
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 11:53
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Me and my mate are going to Spain again next year for 11 days but weβre taking the van with the bikes in and are going to probably book 2 or 3 hotels and then ride out from there and not have to carry all the gear and hassle of finding hotels every night, might look at booking a track day for when weβre there.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 12:45
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Great idea hemi, traffic is so much less overthere and you will have a great time. You will have plenty of choice for which bike you take. It will be great if you can go the same time as us. With the van you will be able to take the gear you need for the track day too. Which bike would you take, that will be interesting π€ππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 13:20
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Itβs a long wheel base high top so I can get 4 bikes in, either take my k3 or the fireblade and my zx9r for the road riding . My mate can take his zx9r and weβve got enough parts and a track fairing to build another zx9r.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 13:22
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Spoilt for choice πππ
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2020 at 23:03
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I hope a few of us can make it, if only to meet and have a laugh. Everyone is welcome new or old. Here's a mock up of the Animal in its new livery  guise, well different from any R1 of its year
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 21:10
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Hi lads, I am going to Portimao on the 8th of May , I shall have a 2020 Aprilia RSV4 coming with me, which should be interesting π€, Anyone wants to come it's with FE, three days about 540 but you will have to check. I will try to do one in Spain before that as I need to ride a bike, haven't ridden since October and with this injury may not get a ride till next year. This is the final finishing touch to the R1, like the Aprilia they ain't getting anymore parts, I think they both been spoilt π. So next year all I want to do is ride them. If anyone wants to come next year, everyone is most welcome one thing that is great about this forum is that there are no bike snobs. Makes a great change from Facebook, I learnt so much on here and AF1, also made some great friends and that continues till this day. Oh the finishing touch to the R1, the Little Viking g ot the rear caliper (Aprilia), and the R1 gets the thumb brake, both PFM. I know hemi is a big fan of PFM and so am i. It is just so special looking, a work of art, British engineering, IOM π  πππ
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 21:26
Awesome mate! No bike snobs hahaha Just aswell that thumb brake is probably worth more than my trackbike . How many days is that in may? Is it deposit down now and balance later. I'm well up for it mate.
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 23:39
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Very nice, wal at Pfm is great to deal with.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 23:54
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Hi Adam, it is for 3days, 200quid deposit and the balance about a month before. I will message you on WhatsApp. I have checked the weather out and it will be 22 C at its hottest so it is pleasant, apparently it can get very hot there but that is OK. I will send you a track guide too. It is very hilly like a roller-coaster. That thumb brake might come in handy as the bikes wheelie there especially in two places. It does look a bit daunting, but everyone said that we will love it. I might pay for tuition for the first day with Steve Brogan, it is a good way to learn the circuit and lines plus I think it will make the next two days more enjoyable. He normally takes 4 with him for the day. This time I won't push it in the first session οΏ½£. I did want to go to Almeria first and I might still do depending on what dates they got but it will be before Portimao, which is like Caldwell GP but a lot wider and I hear they got good run off. With Almeria you are straight in the gravel. You like Caldwell so this will to your liking. I was lucky to get that caliper secondhand, they don't come up often, I just have to engineer a way of using my oem master so I can keep foot and thumb. It save me buying a daul master that ain't cheap at all. But I think I got a solution by using a junction valve. Have a look on Foccused Events site and in the meantime I will get some details for you. It will be a great laugh too, see if we can get some more to come by then too. Hi hemi, yes Wal is a gentleman, I always found him helpful, also have had some great advice of him as well. Great customer service and support βοΈπ
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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 06:33
Sounds good Richard youβll have to be giving the little viking some love soon sheβll be getting jealous
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 07:08
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Hello Mark, I can sense my late mother reminding me all the time about the Viking, and it will be on the bench this winter, it has been left in the corner of the shop with a dust cover, someone broke the indicator lenses, i stole a 8mm nut of the exhaust to get the thankless job out the workshop. So i do feel terrible and guilty for neglecting the Little Viking, so she has done upgrades as in Corsa Corta clutch master and brand new race PFM caliper, and I would like to take her home to her native IOM for a vist, she still has her IOM registration. I can't tax her as my friend who's address I used to use passed away, so she may lose her IOM number plate. If I won the lottery I would take her home and never come back, maybe the odd time π€£π. I think she is getting homesick and I would love to go to the Classic TT, I ain't been to a classic or as it was then called the MGP since 1983, when I was a mechanic, the year my mate would have finished second place, and had the gearshaft not snapped on the last lap in the senior, it had to be the 6 lap race π€£ππ.
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Posted By: Diablo
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 13:52
I'd be up for a visit to the Classic for sure Rich! Especially as you have some amazing stories to tell my friend 
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 14:34
Diablo wrote:
I'd be up for a visit to the Classic for sure Rich! Especially as you have some amazing stories to tell my friend 
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Hi Rick, I hope you are keeping well, unfortunately I can't say the same . I have got a trapped Siactic nerve and after two months of no improvement, I have been recommended to a consultant. They wanted to send me to Orthopaedic choice, i refused and said I will go to the CEO of southern health as it wasn't till I approached him that I got a MRI after 15 years. Like I said to the GP, would he take his car to a garage that could not repair his car in 15 years π€£. Enough about the old this old Dog, yes we will go there mate next year, it might be the only place we can go. Fair play to the IOM, they enforced their Covid rules and restrictions with zeal π€£. When they shut the island down they told all residents that they had two weeks to get back, my brother being on of them. Two weeks or no admittance π€£. They also fined some people 10k, I like their style π
. It will be great if it goes ahead, a lot less people than the TT and some nice bikes to look at. Look after yourself Rick π
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Posted By: Hangry
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 14:45
Hey dog that r1 looking sweeet saying about the tt next year have you heard anything about the diamond races on the isle of wight sounds like it could be worth a trip?
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 15:01
Hangry wrote:
Hey dog that r1 looking sweeet saying about the tt next year have you heard anything about the diamond races on the isle of wight sounds like it could be worth a trip? |
Hi Hangry, thanks mateπ. Shame i didn't get to check it out, oh well next year and something to look forward to. If that goes ahead i would definitely go as it is not far from Winchester, I will keep an eye out for that, I never heard about it till you mentioned it on here π. It would be worth a trip for sure. I am not booking no more trackdays now, I have Portimao on the 8th of May and I am going to leave it at that for the moment. I need to get healthy, I never thought besides missing riding my motorbike that I would miss riding my carbon mountain bike, I only rode it on the forest and would take it in the car there. Just c been told I can't do that because of further risk of injury οΏ½£. Let's hope next year is better for all of us π
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 15:10
sh*t, hope you get some progress on your back soon π€
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 15:45
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Thanks Owen, it is a bit worrying as it took my mate a year and an operation to get it sorted. I did ask my sister if she would stand on my lower back, but she wouldn't. But he boyfriend had a go with his thumb on one of them tables, he said it would hurt, I was nearly chewing the table when he hit the nerve and it went away but only for that day haha, if and when I recover I shall train real hard, as its only since I stopped scaffolding that I have had back problems. I can only think having a strong core strength protected me. Anyway I mange to get in the workshop and keep plugging away with the R1, but the thumb brake is a problem but I shall solve it. There was a brand new Smalmoto exhaust for sale in the US, the poor lad broke his ankle racing his rsv and then after he recovered was hit on the road by a car and lost his leg from the knee down. Poor Jay couldn't have had worse luck, yes he is selling the brand new exhaust, I would have been tempted if I was going to do the big bore. But a great chance for anyone wants one, something you won't be able to buy in the future π
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 15:53
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That's terrible luck.
What have you done with the thumb brake? Y joint in the line to the brake pedal?
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 16:15
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I ended up buying a master that is purposely made for a thumb brake with two outlets. I was going to use a valve which ch would have made my master the same, but after researching it I found that doing it that way I would have too much travel, to be fair for the sake of 50 quid I should have given it a go and seen for myself. Now the oem push rod doesn't Qnium master, I have written to them and asked if they will send me a push rod, they said that on the master with the 50mm mounting holes need the rod. But I sent them pictures showing that it will not fit and am hoping that they will send me a rod. My other problem is the clipon mount thumb brake has to clear the indicator, mode, lights switch. I can rotate it so it just clears, I would like to move it to the top of the clipon but with the indicators it would not be practical, it is going to be a compermise somewhere, I might have to dremmel a part of the clutch perch to get it on. What would have been perfect is if the the clutch perch the front of it bolted to the back of the thumb brake. but the pfm is offset. I may see if an engineering shop can modify it. Race switches don't do the roadstuff haha,
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 16:22
Iβve been looking at the Beringer Thumb Brake and rear master lately. https://beringerbrakes.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=72" rel="nofollow - https://beringerbrakes.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=72 https://beringerbrakes.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=77" rel="nofollow - https://beringerbrakes.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=77
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 17:29
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That's what you want hemi, it don't take up as much space, also the clutch lever is where it should be for your fingers. They make some of the best calipers, people say they are better than Brembo. SBU in the US used them for their race bikes, beautiful looking things. That is a good solution, they are now using two levers like pfm. But that is a neat way of having the clutch and thumb together π
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 18:14
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They have supplied endurance teams for years, the endurance calipers have 12mm thick pads.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 19:12
426hemi wrote:
They have supplied endurance teams for years, the endurance calipers have 12mm thick pads. |
I was seriously considering their red calipers, but at the time i could only get them from the US, i don't know that has changed. That is some thickness of pad π€£, mind you at race pace and endurance race, understandsble and a great advantage to do the whole race on one set ππ
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Posted By: Hangry
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 08:04
Yep shame you didn't get to try it but as you say fix yourself up first bud
Haven't heard to much about diamond races but looks like it's got the go ahead we shall wait n see.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 16:09
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Well lads I finished it at last, now to the Aprilia, although I have lost a lot of weight of both bikes, but pushing the Aprilia around felt so much lightedr than the R1 and that has some real special parts as does the Aprilia but it is a twin I guessπ ππ. It wasn't what I wanted to do but not being able to ride, I had to put some road gear on and see if i can build myself up again, I have list the lower 5 TC, so the lowest I can go is five but I alway rode it in 3 on the and 1 on track. Mot next week, then the back to the Aprilia, it still got them classic looks. So boys i will be needing your help very soon, which I will post in the General section, will start with the fuel pump which has had three year petrol in it, then a service and a few things. I have forgot do much, but i am built it with the the help from the forum and it will be the same again π.
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 16:20
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That looks fantastic, I like the thumb brake, I havenβt seen that make before but itβs very similar to the beringer. The oz gass wheels are lovely.
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 16:22
Awesome mate I just asked about this on my trackday thread. Are you fit enough to ride? Good to hear the apes getting some love too I've got tons of odds and sods if you need anything especially sensors and fuel system parts couple of complete pumps etc.
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 16:24
426hemi wrote:
That looks fantastic, I like the thumb brake, I havenβt seen that make before but itβs very similar to the beringer. The oz gass wheels are lovely. | looks badass doesn't it love the traditional colour scheme too
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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 16:34
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nice one Richard glad to see you posting up on here
so glad you didnβt miss out on those wheels they look awesome
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 17:05
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Thanks everyone, it was hard work with my shoulder and my degenerative spine, but what can you do. hemi the rear thumb brake master is Dutch, it was what the use in moto 2 and 3, but i could only afford that and used a Hel fork mounted thumb brake, the OZ wheel were a special colour order from the lad I bought them from, haven't seen the same yet. Mark yes a kind friend helped me to secure them, whom I sha never forget. Well back to the Aprilia, besides recommissioning it, it will have an rcs clutch master and PFM rear race caliper, I was going to put it on the but i promised it to the Aprilia, oh and the oil jet are the mods. It has hardly any oem stuff left on it, I am still shocked how light it felt. Luckily i still have the file folder to remember some of it. We shall see what that animal goes like, it is just to get some riding fitness back i hope. I wish I weren't so fussy, but it will be the same with the Aprilia π, but I do intend to finish like the Superstock, infact and i can't wait to ride both, and maybe make Almeria late this year. So i will be pain in the arse again asking questions, but it so nice to be back on the forum where it all started for me after three decades away from bikes, and look forward to chatting with all of you again. If survive the first ride on it i shall tell you what it is like, but it won't be in the rain π
. Thanks again ππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 17:09
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I put an rcs clutch on my rsv and set it to 18, itβs made it a hell of a lot lighter, wish Iβd done it years ago.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 21:32
426hemi wrote:
I put an rcs clutch on my rsv and set it to 18, itβs made it a hell of a lot lighter, wish Iβd done it years ago. |
Thanks hemi for that little advice, mine won't desengage properly, it has an aftermarket slave and the Yoyodyne slipper, but I am sure the problem is with the master, will soon find out. I will get to the bottom of it in the end, but at least I know what to set the rcs master to ππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 21:46
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Iβve got a sigma with surflex kit in and Barnett heavy springs as the big bore was hammering the clutch, itβs always been heavy even with the evoluzione slave, I had the rcs spare off of my k7 and thought why not try it, fitted on standard setting itβs no lighter but as soon as I turned it to 18 it made a hell of a difference, can pull the clutch in with one finger now.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 22:02
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Thanks hemi, my clutch like yours with heavy springs is the same, the R1 is heavy too but a cable clutch, I did put a longer 14B arm on it, but I threw the judder springs out it so may try the arm again, but it has a blipper so hardly a problem. The Aprilia it almost like the rod is not being pushed far enough, i was thinking of reverting to the old slave or get one like yours. If I take the slack out almost it's fine but as it gets hot it will slip, the answer is in there somewhere, nice to know I got a decent master, just need to get a switch for it, they got them on ebay 30 quid, but it is Brembo ππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 22:49
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The clutch pack has just been modified by wratthalβs, they took the anti judder plate out and machined some spare steels I had so Iβve now got an extra steel and friction plate, you canβt buy the evoluzione slave cylinders any more sadly, theyβre a nice piece of kit as they have a bearing for the rod to sit on, it stops the fluid going black.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 22:56
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Thanks for that bit of advice hemi, I have the stack height correct, but will go through it again till I find out what is happening. Be interesting to find out what the culprit was, I am very grateful for your help tooππ
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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 22:59
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I havenβt had a switch on my clutch for years or a side stand switch, no ignition switch either.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 06:11
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Finished besides a fault with the sidestand, it will go in gear with it down, i have spare loom but going to get some else to do it, it really needs an expert to sort out why the message is not getting from the ecu to the stand. Aprilia throttle bodies off and injectors out into a Sonic bath next, got a radiator in the garage now so can crack on with the Aprilia, July 2018 it was run. Managed to get four rides on the Superstock on the road and all I can say it is savage, went out with a new GSXR RR and nearly took the paint of the front of his faring, i put the old K2s and 1s on of the Aprilia and they are so sticky it was stoning that faring. 10% below oem TC1 is savage, it will wheelie in sixth, think I might have gone too far with it, definitely for track only. Back to my beloved Aprilia factory, throttle bodies coming off and the injectors for a Sonic bath the fuel tank pump assembly out bew filter and and see if the bores are OK. Service, clutch and rear brake to be done on it, then we will see if it runs. Let's hope I can post a picture of the Aprilia factory early next yearπ 
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 07:32
I love this bike Rich you can't go too far sounds absolutely brutal 
We really need to get a trackday in next year i know you arnt a fan of UK tracks but you could definitely stretch its legs at snetterton.
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Posted By: twinfan
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 09:42
I 2nd that adam, its a great bike. yand es we will have to do a trackday, especially as i now have a R1 as my track bike
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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 11:02
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good work Dickie
be good to see the aprilia up and running again
went to see a griff yesterday
he modded my gen2 motor to run on gen1 electrics and rebuilt a set of gen2 radial showaβs
i have a set of Oz from Ric and my Hyoerpro shock back i sold Ric then to Cheesy back to me
and a couple of other bits doubt it will get done for next year but itβs happening
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 15:41
twinfan wrote:
I 2nd that adam, its a great bike. yand es we will have to do a trackday, especially as i now have a R1 as my track bike |
Yeah Paul for sure mate, we'll get on a open pitlane day would be a great day I'll have to have home advantage though you boys on the yams will eat my little 6R  . Snetterton or Cadwell?
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 15:58
redratbike wrote:
good work Dickie
be good to see the aprilia up and running again
went to see a griff yesterday
he modded my gen2 motor to run on gen1 electrics and rebuilt a set of gen2 radial showaβs
i have a set of Oz from Ric and my Hyoerpro shock back i sold Ric then to Cheesy back to me
and a couple of other bits doubt it will get done for next year but itβs happening |
Sounds like a plan mate, love the fact you ape vultures pass these parts about 
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 17:01
badapple wrote:
I love this bike Rich you can't go too far sounds absolutely brutal 
We really need to get a trackday in next year i know you arnt a fan of UK tracks but you could definitely stretch its legs at snetterton. |
Thanks Adam, i would like to ride with all of you for sure, when i said I gone to far, it is more relying on your skill level, but with the electronics backed off, it is vicious. It sounded like twin sometimes and slow sort of revving engine. But now the engine sounds different, with a proper bark. At 62 which is very soon the 1st, it matches the RGB race bike, my Trevor Nation engine bike, but it like learning again, hurts my thighs just to hold on to it. My mate said electronics is cheating, but I don't agree, I have only been to TC4 and the drive out a corner is like being fired out a cannon. She is very tall as you can see, but you are welcome to have a session on it mate if and we will meet up.. Tbh i quite like Donny, it was where I first rode it on an Aprilia trackday π. Tbh the noise that thing makes is unreal but was quieter than the Aprilia V4"s but no more, it is a menacing noise as someone said. I remember Cheesy and twinfam Paul who kindly came to watch, I think it was the hottest day I ever rode in, drunk loads and could have pissed in a thimble π. I got a good set of leathers now, so not so worried about hurting myself, and like you said race cut is tight, only comfortable in that position on a bike, tight too. Glad you got a set of air vest leathers mate, a great assetπ
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 17:09
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Mark what can I say, a friend I met on Af1, total gentleman. Yeah them 1127 big bores were weren't going to be like the R1s, also I never regret buying it, like you, never been a bike snob like a lot of lads on here. And when i have a go on the Ducati SP at Almeria, i won't mind saying to its owner it is the best bike I have ridden. I can see a nice build coming Mark, I got a few bits if you need them for your build, owe you a few drinks anyway. Meet up next year for sure π
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 17:18
twinfan wrote:
I 2nd that adam, its a great bike. yand es we will have to do a trackday, especially as i now have a R1 as my track bike |
Paul so nice to hear from you, we will have to go to Almeria, when I went, I never forgot about you saying ending up in the canteen π, but fortunately I only went in there on my own without the bike, it would be a pleasure to meet and ride with you, I hope you are keeping well after what was serious bit of surgery, which made it even more special you coming to Donny πππ
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 18:44
Yeah a V4 is top of my want list as far as my next trackday tool is concerned ( unless you are selling the Yamaha ) and I'd love a rip on yours but you'll have to catch me in the pits or I'll drop it with my midget legs . I rode Donny for the first time this year with Owen blacklines and I really enjoyed it but a lot of room for improvement. Sure we'll all figure something out. Can't wait to get my ACU done in February and get some rounds in I'm saving hard for it and doing 60-70hr weeks to help fund it. The air suits are brilliant but hopefully I won't be testing it.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 19:19
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Adam mate, mine ain't a normal bike or oem, so it would be not a fair comparison, but there's loads for sale. I thought my progression would be a V4, but when I bought that R1 it was laying black lines for the V4s to follow π. To me they both have great exhaust note, but that R1 sounds so different to anything else. The new Aprilias are brilliant, but it makes me think that the Rotax engines have outlasted the V4s. Yes you can have ride on it, no problem and we will be ready to catch you when you come back in. Like a lot of bike forums people always think they have to be biased to their brand, total bollocks because when you are racing you buy the fastest, best handling also reliability. Tbh you would be better of buying a V4 as it has so much not to be improved. At the same time them V4s are no match for that slide control, which they probably have now. If they bought out 90 degree V4 then Aprilia for the road I would be jealous if it, but Yamaha has win a lot this year, but I reckon Ducati will be the ones next year. The Yamaha needs a big upgrade, there's was always a threat of a seamless gearbox, reverse crank that they were the best first to do on their race bikes. The bike I have now is so much different to an oem bike, i could say it was another make, but took a lot of money and hard work to get what i wanted. There's some lovely R1s like mine sale, going cheap too, have a go on mine, and I am sure someone would let you have a go on their V4, then make your mind upπ. Yeah Snet, haven't been there since early 80 and late 70s, but would be interested to come with you Owen, Paul and anybody else ππ
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 19:46
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Yeah mate I was only joking the money and time you've put into it I wouldn't dream of trying to prise it away but I'll definitely have a spin. When the time comes I have a ton of options and obviously not biased I ride a trumpet and Yamaha now but still love this forum and apes and I'm still buy ing and selling them as I know them inside out after working on them for so many years. I've just bought a Gen1 R but sold it on already. Anything I ride on track will feel ridiculous compared with the old kwacka but it's been great to learn on.
Roll on next season
------------- I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 16:31
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silverstone did that for me.
it made some of our tracks seem extremely unsafe and just not built for bikes, safety wise.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 17:41
badapple wrote:
Yeah mate I was only joking the money and time you've put into it I wouldn't dream of trying to prise it away but I'll definitely have a spin. When the time comes I have a ton of options and obviously not biased I ride a trumpet and Yamaha now but still love this forum and apes and I'm still buy ing and selling them as I know them inside out after working on them for so many years. I've just bought a Gen1 R but sold it on already. Anything I ride on track will feel ridiculous compared with the old kwacka but it's been great to learn on.
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Adam i would love you to have spin on it, it is safe enough, turns very quickly, but you soon get used to that. TC wise I still have five left out of nine so plenty. I ride it on the road in TC2, which is 7 now but I only ride in the summer time. It has been setup by Darren a bit stiff, but it is OK,any softer with the power and could be taking it out on the tyres, my leathers go fo just under 7 kg with the air vest and are all kangaroo besides one panel, yours are probably the same, so that puts a bit of weight on it, but down the back straight at Donny it will take off airborne on that slight rise, but it lands fine π. We will sort something out around your season next year for definite ππ
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2021 at 16:22
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Ha we were just talking about how we get a bit of head shake on that crest on the Dunlop straight. Imagine getting airborne over it π²
I'm not sure a few kilos in your leathers is going to make much difference to the R1 held wide open. Honestly reckon if I had your bike it would take me a few sessions to grit my teeth and hold it wide down the straights. The mille only feels slow when you're trying to pass someone and they pull away. Take the other bikes off the track and it goes well I think. Could only imagine what double the power would feel like.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2021 at 06:32
blacklines wrote:
Ha we were just talking about how we get a bit of head shake on that crest on the Dunlop straight. Imagine getting airborne over it π²
I'm not sure a few kilos in your leathers is going to make much difference to the R1 held wide open. Honestly reckon if I had your bike it would take me a few sessions to grit my teeth and hold it wide down the straights. The mille only feels slow when you're trying to pass someone and they pull away. Take the other bikes off the track and it goes well I think. Could only imagine what double the power would feel like. |
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2021 at 07:24
dog78 wrote:
blacklines wrote:
Ha we were just talking about how we get a bit of head shake on that crest on the Dunlop straight. Imagine getting airborne over it π²
I'm not sure a few kilos in your leathers is going to make much difference to the R1 held wide open. Honestly reckon if I had your bike it would take me a few sessions to grit my teeth and hold it wide down the straights. The mille only feels slow when you're trying to pass someone and they pull away. Take the other bikes off the track and it goes well I think. Could only imagine what double the power would feel like. |
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Hi Owen, ha ha yes the first few sessions it would wheelie over that rise, but in the afternoon it was taking off both wheels in the air overtaking a V4 on the Aprilia day, tbh it was better that way as it you didn't have to worry about the wheelie, but it has come down before the chicane. It was my first go on that bike, my second ever trackday and I was in the inters, but i had it in the wrong mode, 1 I really should have put it in 2 as Dean Ellison told me to as he bought a parts for me from an engine builder. When we went to Almeria it was 2, i experienced the slide control coming onto the back straight for the very first time , and it was truly amazing. Coming onto the back straight with comp slicks on and sliding the back, when I got back to the pits and asked the others and they said it will only come out four inches, i thought I could live with that and after that session i loved it laying black lines out of the corners. It is unbelievable to slide the back in the top of it power range π, had a bit if a bad trip, some my own fault and some not. But when I beat that BMW the same year by more than the length of the start and finish straight it made my day, i and wasn't there for any compitition, but he was a right t**ser, we will never go with that group again, couple of nice people who we said we will meet again, other than that i would rather go with mates and even strangers that didn't need psychological helpπ. And this time i will get my full days of tuition, instead of sticking to the back of the ex bsb tutor. He was a good lad as he took me around for about five laps a few days later, one day before i was due to come home it made a big difference. This new mapping is going to take a little time to learn, plus all the other mods. But it is time to leave it and ride it now, there's enough for a 62 year old π. We will have to see if we can shoe horn you in there, and I only ride race shift, between you and Adam we will have to go to one extreme to another π. In the IOM in Bride at my brother's place atm, the back garden goes to the beach, i and am working on his bikes today, he's go two over here, a ZX10R with loads of mods and one of those ZZR1400cc something like that. The place was still standing after two years and three months, we will see how the bike fair after the time staading still. You will love the R1, it so easy to ride and the height be ideal for you we can adjust the rearsets to give you some room, just hold on tight ππ
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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2021 at 14:40
Looking forward to it sounds insane 
------------- I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2021 at 20:20
badapple wrote:
Looking forward to it sounds insane  | you will be fine, I an 13st with leathers, it is a bit stiff but it has all Ohlins on it and you will be fine buddy π
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 05:34
Finally got the ecu sorted, after striping two wiring looms down, and over a 12 hrs shift where we checked every wire going into the ecu, we decided it could be only the relay or the ecu.Phoned VELOX racing only to find out that if it has race tools with flash tune it can be deleted. So ecu went back to Seton, but the poor lad who put the race tools on in the US hit a tree on his mountain Downhill bike and the poor lad passed away, he was only 25 had won the AMA 600s and this year be riding a R1 in 1k class. Great lad Jason R I. P. I and my thoughts are with his family and friends. Flash tune, managed to sort it, but with moving the ecu, cutting the abs pump in half, I haven't had a chance to check it out certain things like the wheelie control that was not cutting in also the modes didn't drop into place like they supposed to but do now . Plus we fitted some new velocity stacks shown below, this ain't on my bike but one my mate built earlier on. They are all different sizes, infact a copy of the YEC one done by Ray Stringer on a 3D printer. Well the stand works now, hopefully I will be able to move the bikes in the garage soon abd get the Aprilia on the bench, which I am looking forward to, been a bit of long time since I worked on that bike. See what happens when test this R1, it's been a long journey and I won't be doing no more, the Aprilia is as good as I can get it and the R1, plus I am just getting to old to work on them like I did π, but never to old to ride them π.
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Posted By: blacklines
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 14:22
At first I thought 3D printed velocity stacks looked a bit like prototypes, not finished products. But I guess there's really no need to over engineer them as they're not carrying any load. If they have tuned them to flow well, why muck it up by making them in a different material and potentially having to do tune them again.
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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 17:40
blacklines wrote:
At first I thought 3D printed velocity stacks looked a bit like prototypes, not finished products. But I guess there's really no need to over engineer them as they're not carrying any load. If they have tuned them to flow well, why muck it up by making them in a different material and potentially having to do tune them again. |
It was a risk for remapping, but according to Ray Stringer it makes it more linear the power and I have a big problem with wheelie atm. But if it works, and still quick a I am not bothered about squeezing the last hp out of it. If i go to Crescent i will lose my rider's aid pakage. It won't be long and I will let you know how it rides. The material them stacks are made from can take the heat and all the stresses it has to go through. Me and Nige were the first few to get the Stefano's stacks on the Aprilia and they made a big difference. The stand was a problem to me as most of my young riding was done on race bikes, so I can forget the stand,which was dangerous for me. I will check it out shortly, I had a feeling the ecu was corrupt too, it happens like my Autotune at 300 on the Aprilia that had the same, but at least they were very helpful. It will either go one way or the other π€£π
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