Badgers Box ?
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Topic: Badgers Box ?
Posted By: Spoonz
Subject: Badgers Box ?
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 13:13
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OK, here are some pics and a bit of explanation
standard filter and K&N showing the lid that needs to be sealed to the K&N
Here you can see the difference in height as the K&N needs the extra height to allow the tank to hold it in place
next 2 shows the sticky backed foam to use, if you can find that it is better IMO as you can shape it with a stanley blade
this shows the foam build up around the front of the tank, you can see quite clearly the vaseline used to create a perfect seal
this shows the two layers of foam attached to the top of the airbox, with a further build up at the back to accomodate the slight gap there is at the back of the tank, you need to remove the foil from the underside of the tank.
this shows the back of the tank with the extra layers of foam needed, once you fit them you trim to size with a blade so you have a good seal at the back of the tank
shows the two layers of foam, you can see the outer one has been compressed where the tank touches it
shows the underside of the tank, you can see the vaseline marks where the seals are touching the tank
again showing the build up of foam at the back
showing the filter in situ
There you go, any more questions ask away as long as the are not Irish!!
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Posted By: rsvmillepete
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 13:19
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Oi,
what's wrong with the IRISH?
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 13:22
rsvmillepete wrote:
Oi,
what's wrong with the IRISH? |
Haha, that email was done for my mate in Eglinton (Londonderry) i do track days with(i copied it to Spoonz) the Oirish are tops
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Posted By: rsvmillepete
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 13:25
Was born in Altnagelvin Hospital, Londonderry 
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Posted By: joe 90
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 18:22
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Hello Mr Spoonz, IS your rsvr fitted with a mouse trap? (TOP PHOTO)
Joe 90
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 19:02
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The pics are badgers not mine Joe. I just hosted them for him.
The mouse trap was to catch the critters that ate holes in his waders. 
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 20:30
Spoonz wrote:
The pics are badgers not mine Joe. I just hosted them for him.
The mouse trap was to catch the critters that ate holes in his waders.  |
How did you know that
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2008 at 22:48
Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 08:32
Spoonz wrote:
err because you told me. |
Must be going senile mate, i remember it now, wee buggers, got another one yesterday!!
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Posted By: pageboy
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 10:24
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Call me thick, as my wife does, but I've just been looking at a number of photos of the EVO Airbox kit and the gasket / cnc metal ring thing look to be pretty flat - there is no discernable built up area to the back which would indicate that just adding a decent piece of door rubber to the top of the airbox would have exactly the same effect as the EVO.
Am I just being incredibly stupid here - does the Evo overhang the sides of the existing box and form a seal with the tank where it would normally just miss the top of the box?
Learning all the time - fantastic site guys - my 01 Mille is like a new machine thanks to all your sage advice - first track day looming at the end of April!!!
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 13:25
IMO the EVO does not form a good enough seal, what you are talking about re the door rubber is exactly what mine does but using high density foam instead of door rubbers, i reckon the foam will mould itself to irregularities better than a rubber seal
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 14:14
badger wrote:
Spoonz wrote:
err because you told me. |
Must be going senile mate, i remember it now, wee buggers, got another one yesterday!!
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What? You got buggered yesterday. I think me specs need changing.
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Posted By: pageboy
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 16:10
Thanks again Badger, so it looks like a quick trip to Milletts to get a camping mat, I've got some impact adhesive and a Stanley, maybe the 'Buggers' can point me to a reputable gentleman's vaseline supplier!
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2008 at 18:18
Posted By: B o B
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 08:33
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I don't know how this has drifted into the inuendo end of the language, (well yes I do really) but, this is a great thread name isn't guys? Badger's box. What next, Tim's tackle or Sabre's , no, let's not go there.
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 19:33
Aye and my box is smeared in vaseline
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Posted By: Milleblack
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 02:16
Badger's bait box ...sure i know you from some where
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 20:48
Badger baiting is illegal
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 23:26
B o B wrote:
I don't know how this has drifted into the inuendo end of the language, (well yes I do really) but, this is a great thread name isn't guys? Badger's box. What next, Tim's tackle or Sabre's , no, let's not go there. |
Give it time and it will surely happen
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 13:37
badger wrote:
Aye and my box is smeared in vaseline |
I think Im going to be sick!
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 13:51
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I'm told his box is a lot noisier than standard as well 
Must be all that Haggis
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 18:57
Tatties, Neeps and Haggis washed down with a pint of Guiness.........mmmmmmmmmm
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Posted By: Milleblack
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 20:02
badger wrote:
Tatties, Neeps and Haggis washed down with a pint of Guiness.........mmmmmmmmmm |
Dont forget the arbroath broadies .... i think thats how you spell it  canny mind 
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2008 at 19:35
Arbroath smokies, is that not what you mean Steve
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Posted By: Milleblack
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2008 at 22:23
badger wrote:
Arbroath smokies, is that not what you mean Steve |
Yeah thats it  excuse my scottish.. missus is scottish and im not but i spent a lot of time up in dundee  .... bridie's come from where 
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2008 at 22:36
Bridies are a sort of sausage roll shaped like a half moon, tasty
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Posted By: Milleblack
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 12:44
badger wrote:
Bridies are a sort of sausage roll shaped like a half moon, tasty |
Mmmmmmmm i know  had some shipped down to us .... more like tatties and mince in a pancake 
Still i dont know what this has to do with your air box mod but suppose you could keep a pie warm in the box 
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Posted By: B o B
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 14:41
Milleblack wrote:
suppose you could keep a pie warm in the box  |
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Posted By: pageboy
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2008 at 10:08
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Badger, rack em up mate! There is now at least one more RSV benefitting from your wisdom - did the mod this weekend with a nice little camping mat from Halfrauds, evo-stick, a BMC hi-flo filter (v.nice) and a large portion of Vaseline from my personal collection. Got to say it is probably the best use of vaseline a man of 48 can make. Had my first blast on the bike this morning (01 RSV) and the winter mods have absolutely transformed the old girl, Fuel exhaust (big up to the Cumbrian massive for a quality item 155 sovs delivered with free mint cake) Aprilia performance chip ( just 9 of your english on e-bay), iridium plugs, Talon sprocket (16 - 44), and the badger box - still picking the early season flies out of my teeth!!
To anyone considering an air-box mod - Badger gets my vote, six quid, an hours work - less if you dont bother to sand the underside of the tank, but you really should - if it all goes tits-up what have you lost?
Belter!!
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2008 at 13:26
Glad to be off help mate, it really is that easy and cheap, how can you not afford to do it
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Posted By: RSVGazP
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 17:36
Finally got round to doing my box Badger...nice easy mod, not sanded the tank yet but will at some stage to release the lions roar...
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Posted By: studly
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 10:46
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Thinking of doing this mod as well, just a couple of questions.
Probably stupid ones at that.---
1) Why do you have to sand the tank and why, if possible a picture please.
2) which filter to buy and where.
3) is the foam build up on top of thye air box or on the sides and up, I have not taken my tank off yet to look so unsure from just looking at pics.
4) will i need to have it set up on a dyno , running with a sports chip and shotguns at the present.
thanks for all the wisdom you give a leaner. 
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Posted By: RSVGazP
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 16:22
studly wrote:
Thinking of doing this mod as well, just a couple of questions.
Probably stupid ones at that.---
1) Why do you have to sand the tank and why, if possible a picture please.
I didn't bother with this, but i believe its basically ripping off the sound proofing and sanding all of the adhesive to let rip the induction roar. It's not a necessity.
2) which filter to buy and where.
I used a K&N, loads on ebay
3) is the foam build up on top of thye air box or on the sides and up, I have not taken my tank off yet to look so unsure from just looking at pics.
On the side
4) will i need to have it set up on a dyno , running with a sports chip and shotguns at the present.
Don't think so but could be wrong.
thanks for all the wisdom you give a leaner.  |
Hope this helps, assume you riding older model as this doesn't work for anything over an 03.
Gaz
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Posted By: studly
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 17:10
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thanks for that,
sorry its a 98-2000 rsvr
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Posted By: arryace
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 23:11
i am all for DIY and saving your hard earned cash but i have some concerns
- is this foam petrol, oil, heat resistant?
- are the adhesive and sealers used resistant also?
the air will be full of oil vapour when the engine is running which is nasty stuff not to mention the possibility of contact between petrol and the foam and heat has to be taken into consideration
the type of foam being used IMO will deteriorate and when this happens the foam will lose its flexibility and crumble turning to dust then the dust will end up inside your engine
another concern is fire. is the foam flame retardant?
if your insistent in using the foam i would suggest using instant gasket on the surface that contacts with the tank as this is obviously resistant to anything it will encounter
personally the foam used is not a material i would want any where near my induction system
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Posted By: studly
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 18:48
Got round to doing the air box mod today, went well, took out for a play to check all was ok, love the sound.
Fitted my Arrow shotguns back on, minus the 'not for road use'  maerkings on.
Last week did the 16/44 tooth mod, oh my god what a difference,  managed to use the 108 link chain just, its got a tight spot which is a shame, so am fitting a new 110 link chain at the weekend.
Thanks for all the advice, off to the Dutch TT at the end of the month, hope its dry this year(always seems to rain) on the weds night overnight ferry from Harwich.
Might see some of you there.
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Posted By: RSVGazP
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 20:30
Good man. I did the 16/44 the other week and what a transformation. Getting addicted to power wheelies . Was surprised at the induction noise from the box mod, love it. Managed to find a bit of spare cash so I talked myself into a No-Toil DT1 race filter and frame from Italoparts. IMO a snip at £110 inc P&P and have heard some good feedback on these .
Gaz
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Posted By: badger
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 21:38
Arryace..........i have done 18k of miles with this mod and it never turned to dust or caused a fireball, also the best kit on the market made by Homer Ewe is foam, stop fretting man
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2008 at 10:15
Posted By: arryace
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 20:45
badger wrote:
Arryace..........i have done 18k of miles with this mod and it never turned to dust or caused a fireball, also the best kit on the market made by Homer Ewe is foam, stop fretting man |
not fretting just dont enter lightly into these things
people spend hundreds on modding their bikes then wack on a bit of sticky back plastic in a blue peter stylee
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"he a ride a like a superbike rider"
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 15:25
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I tried a BB at the wek end - just to see.
The original "EVO" system is basically a metal ring shaped to screw into the top of the bottom half of the standard air box and a rubber sealing flange. Very simple in construction so....
I bought a camping mat from Halfords to use as a seal. I took the original air box lid , drew around it on to the mat to give me an outline and then cut off the sealing edge. This became my "piece of metal" or ring. I then drew another line around the one already drawn on the mat one inch out from the original one. Now for the scissors - careful children - and cut out the outside shape.. I then secured this to the air box base by using the "ring" and the original screws. I then trimmed away the inside of the flange with a stanley knife. Cut out some mat packing for the air filter and a tub of air filter sealant and I was ready to rock. Once fitted and the seal checked , I fired her up. Works a treat! Just the same as my original EVO for the price a camping mat from Halfords. On the original EVO seal there is a fold back piece of rubber at the front of the airbox. This folds back upon itself to cure the gap at the front of the box. This was replicated on my mat outline.
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Posted By: studly
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 10:54
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how much are you loking at for your Reno copy.
cheers
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 14:35
£60 to cover the cost of filters plus postage
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Posted By: v60rsvr
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2008 at 11:05
did the airbox mod the other day 9 quid all in ,sound proofing came off in one piece lovely tight fit as tank slid over camping mat ! looads of vaseline !! now waiting for it to stop pissin down!!!
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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2008 at 21:23
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Sabre ,
did you take any pics of the camping mat mod,i cant visulize it in my poor head
thanks Mark
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Posted By: Monkeydog
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 14:24
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high density armourflex pipe lagging, no need for vaseline, oil/fuel resistant and fire retardent..
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 14:52
redratbike wrote:
Sabre ,
did you take any pics of the camping mat mod,i cant visulize it in my poor head
thanks Mark |
take a look at the last two posts http://www.rsvzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4977&page=3 - here.
Sorry its taken so long. 
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Posted By: Hollow Man
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 15:29
heres my DT1, just for reference like , I did the DIY first then got this one as i liked the look of it and it was different . Excuse the remnants of the DIY filter, they have now gone...
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Posted By: tuono majic
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:14
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hi have the pictures been removed for badgers box as im wanting to do this mod?
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 09:55
take a looky here http://rsvzone.com/forums/showthread.php?4977-airbox-mod/page6" rel="nofollow - http://rsvzone.com/forums/showthread.php?4977-airbox-mod/page6
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Posted By: Leepants
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 12:15
Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 12:28
Lee Pants, you are right. I cant either! Dunno why that is . Spoony!!!!
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 13:04
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The site that hosted the pics is long gone.
Not sure if i stll have the pics now, will check
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Posted By: Leepants
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 13:09
Cheers, Spoonz
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Posted By: Leepants
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 08:30
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Reet - NOW I'm struggling to get hold of the sodding foam stuff..... TRYING to locate some "heat and solvent and oil and fuel resistant" stuff. Am I thinking too much? Any ideas on where I can find / get the fancy stuff or just normal sticky backed, 7mm thick foam?
Ta! :)
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 09:02
Try a camping mat from Halfords - no really!
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Posted By: Leepants
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 09:18
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I saw that, Sabre! I work in an environment where we have LOTS of taht sort of stuff knocking about, so Ima hunt some down today. What did you use to "stick" it together / to the box? Ta! :)
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Posted By: v60rsvr
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 14:04
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i used camping mat 2 years ago still fine remember to put couple of pieces on top of kn filter
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Posted By: Leepants
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 15:19
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Gotcha. Thanks! :)
I WILL have plenty spare after I've done it, so if anyone else wants any when I'm done, let me know and I'll send it :)
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 10:15
Do you need to fold the front to block the part were the tank meets the head stock area on a Gen 2? The pics don,t seam to clear? Got my 2nd hand box ready to butcher :)
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:17
Yes you do. And use plenty of Vaseline to seal with the underside of the tank
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Posted By: v60rsvr
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:41
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i put double layer section at front
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 12:44
Ok bit of experimenting to do.. Don't want any leaks and suck in a small child or dirt.
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Posted By: Flipspeed
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 20:08
is it me or where the f£&k are the pic's at the start of this thread??????
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 20:23
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Lost in the gunnles of time
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 09:14
Do you think i could squeeze in a Formula Ford Element inder the tank just incasr I dont have a good seal at the front? What has any one else used on a Gen 2?
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Posted By: Bollokchops
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2012 at 16:42
heres my airbox mod used the top part of the air box and cut the front off to slope it up to maximise the seal,i used 29mm door rubber that fits perfectly to the rim of the airbox no need to glue ebay number 320636044837,as you can see ive also used the top part to cut out the bracket to hold the filter in place, alot more secure.i got some silicone sealent from a dive shop to further enhance the seal to the tank and also purchased a k&n filter, all in £38.00 
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Posted By: v60rsvr
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 07:09
Posted By: Flipspeed
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 11:41
that looks vvvvvvery neat, i like
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 11:54
Well done that man. The picture of how you have secured the filter is so much better than how Ive tried to discribe it. Good job.
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Posted By: Bollokchops
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 19:56
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It works a treat it's been done now for 6 months I check the seal every now and then and it's clean as a whistle,if anyone wants to try it give us a shout for any questions or help
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Posted By: Rtomo
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2012 at 14:05
any way to bring back the pics from the ether?? would be a decent help as im about to set foot on this journey aswell ... need me some help lol
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Posted By: RSLee
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 19:45
Anyone tried the mod that bollockchops has done to his Gen1 (see 6 posts above ) on a Gen2? Can you still get the box to seal to the underside of the tank? Questions, Questions, Questions before I start hacking my airbox to peices!!!
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Posted By: manta16v
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2012 at 23:56
just curious ,as i might try this box, but anyone tried longer trumpets too? my days of fidling with 45 webbers longer trumpets gave more top end shorter torque (think it was that way round ) and as we have more torque than a hen night in the ladies loo maybe longer trumpets would be worth a go
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Posted By: stevezx7r
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2012 at 07:40
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It has been done, can't remember where the thread is but someone mentioned variable stacks, complete bling mind with a price to match ;)
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Posted By: kiwi_rsvr
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2012 at 08:27
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I ran mismatched stacks for a while and going to try them again , I know they are not variable but , short stack in front of taller stack.
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Posted By: Sabre
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2012 at 08:49
kiwi_rsvr wrote:
I ran mismatched stacks for a while and going to try them again , I know they are not variable but , short stack in front of taller stack. |
How does that work then Scott?
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Posted By: Mike1971
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 00:09
Bollokchops wrote:
heres my airbox mod used the top part of the air box and cut the front off to slope it up to maximise the seal,i used 29mm door rubber that fits perfectly to the rim of the airbox no need to glue ebay number 320636044837,as you can see ive also used the top part to cut out the bracket to hold the filter in place, alot more secure.i got some silicone sealent from a dive shop to further enhance the seal to the tank and also purchased a k&n filter, all in £38.00 
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I've just order the door seal rubber from ebay ordered 2metre's just incase.
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 20:25
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Great post. I am a little confused now however. All these mods are for the Gen 1 right? Can you do this or even need to do it on the Gen 2's? Ta
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 22:45
Making the air box bigger is going to help the Gen 2 .
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 23:28
martuk wrote:
Making the air box bigger is going to help the Gen 2 . |
Griff having dynoed them might be a better bet for a definitve answer but i believe that the gains were bigger on the Gen1 due to it having a smaller airbox capacity to start with than the Gen2 and a different intake route.
With an intake on the highest pressure point of the nose there should be no shortage of air at speed on the Gen2 but maybe some improvements at low speed may be had. I'm sure there will be gains but not sure how much over say just a hi flow filter.
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 02:13
Well I'm not hacking the top of my box.its v close to touching the tank all around. If it gave 7 hp more then ok. But its induction noise is going to be even louder !!!
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 02:18
Have you done the Gen 2 flap and duct mod first. It makes them crisper I think , maybe placebo effect as all that work time effort :s got to help ...
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 22:03
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not done the flap and duct mod, but then I have not lifted the tank to view inside yet. What does the mod involve? Any pictures of what to do? Can tell I'm a bit of a picture freak. I always seem to ask for pictures!
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 23:10
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if you do a search on Af1, Amauri (Aprilia USA tech at the time) did some dyno tests with/without the flapper mod. I'm sure it's still on there somewhere. He did post the graphs etc. I think from memory it made zilch, niet, nada power difference and actually fueled worse at low revs by removing it. I did try it myself and found no discernable difference whatsoever good or bad.
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 07:52
I can't remember were it came from but Probly previously mentioned site. They removed all of the workings smoothed it off. I have the vac linked blanked off on mine but no definable different other than noise at the front of the bike. Going to map2 with k&n + blue flame gave mine allot more mid range. I was going to try the door seal gag ,even have a spare lid hear .But when I checked how close the box sat to the tank I lost interest and just enjoyed the bike.
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:38
martuk wrote:
I can't remember were it came from but Probly previously mentioned site. They removed all of the workings smoothed it off. I have the vac linked blanked off on mine but no definable different other than noise at the front of the bike. Going to map2 with k&n + blue flame gave mine allot more mid range. I was going to try the door seal gag ,even have a spare lid hear .But when I checked how close the box sat to the tank I lost interest and just enjoyed the bike. |
Your probably referring to the induction tube mod where someone cut out all of the obstructive plastic mouldings and used filler to smooth out the whole induction tract.
I can't remember what figures he got but he was a racer i believe and was searching for top end so most of the gains would have been there.
If you have the time and inclination, go for it.
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:41
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ok ok. How do I spot if I have Map 2 ? Is it a cut wire or something? Do I need it if I have a powercommander?
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:09
Gen 2 its a re program. It needs to be on map 2 for a pc to work.
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 21:30
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Right. So just to be sure, I won't gain much if any by an air box mod and flapper mod, if I have a Gen 2 model with a PC, can's, k&n. If so I will just ride the thing rather than tweaking.
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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 22:00
wigginsjp wrote:
Right. So just to be sure, I won't gain much if any by an air box mod and flapper mod, if I have a Gen 2 model with a PC, can's, k&n.If so I will just ride the thing rather than tweaking. |
You could try a hi flow air filter as you have the other mods but if you have a custom map it might ideally need a tweak if you make intake mods.
re the flapper, rather than rip it out, to satisfy the itch disconnect the vac hose that runs to the activation valve on the right side of the air intake duct under the clocks. (Make sure you plug the vac hose with something or the bike will run rough, i used a little bolt wound in)
By doing that the flap always stays open as that is the vac failure default position (you will likely hear it clonk open when you remove the hose unless it sat for ages). Then ride it and see if you notice any difference good or bad now it is open all the time. Based on what you feel decide whether to rip it out completely or leave it disconnected but installed or reconnect.
I wanted to find out myself to satisfy the what if and that is how i did it.
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Posted By: martuk
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 22:38
Dialling in the suspension will give you more
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 20:51
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Suspension is on my list. Previous owner had it done but sadly I have no idea of his weight etc so will do it again.
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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 13:56
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You could try a hi flow air filter as you have the other mods but if you have a custom map it might ideally need a tweak if you make intake mods.
I have seen an Evo kit for a gen 2 model. I already have a K&N fitted so will I see an improvement using the Evo kit? It's basically a rubber ring and another Hi flow air filter.
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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 14:17
wigginsjp wrote:
It's basically a rubber ring and another Hi flow air filter.
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the idea is it increases the volume of the airbox capacity hence allowing the engine to breath better
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Posted By: w00dzy
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2013 at 21:12
Whats the best air filter to use with this?
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Posted By: foxy
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 08:49
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I have an airbox off an 02 Mille, with larger air intake off a 99 Mille, with sealing foam attached, and a K+N filter with foam on top to hold it in place with no airbox lid. I used it on my old bike. The filter will need a clean. £30 + whatever postage is.
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Posted By: Greg 1953
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 09:14
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Can someone explain why I can't see the photos ? all I get is a small white square with a red cross in it. Greg
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Posted By: w00dzy
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 14:40
Ready for the dremel?
What do you think? Planning to cut just above the tape.

This is the filter I had and will be using..

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Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 15:48
i'd leave the bit above the filter to hold it in place
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