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Originally posted by Pete 86 Pete 86 wrote:

I guess im doing it because i like to mess about with stuff i enjoy it.
Tried it on the 2 strokes by opening top of ex and bottom of inlet ports +polishing ports. I like to try air system tune, yes it is for my road bike but i live for track days.
I will never sell this bike as it is my 1st bike after i passed my test in 2018.
It cost me a grand as a non runner so i have a bike thats begging to be tampered with lol.
It is my road going race bike that isnt a racebike if thst makes sense.
Until i get it to oultonEvil Smile


I do get it, I’m all for modding but I think your barking up the wrong tree with your suggested mods, but it’s your bike and opinions are like bum holes as they say.  Not sure how you will quantify your air scoop experiments success but report back. 




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Ill report backErmm
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Originally posted by Pete 86 Pete 86 wrote:

I think that exhaust pipe venturi on the dukes have something to do with the crazy tourqe very low down that the mille dosent have.


I'm not saying it will make it like a modern Ducati but if you don't have a modded collector, you should get one. You will be stunned at the improvement in the low to mid range especially as the hole in the torque curve completely disappears.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pete 86 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 23:27
Yes i will get that done aswell.  There is a exhaust shop near my work.  Once i have worked out cc of clynder - combustion chamber should be able to workout width of piston i think and apply that to the port and header combined so i can work out where i want the venturi in the header. I will ask the exhaust guys to put the link in the exhaust aswel.  I think i will have a range to choose from based on the cc so i can choose at what point in the ex stroke i want the venturi to be effective.  I might have to get some more headers and have 2 sets modded at each end of the usable range.
If i have venturi at the closest point to the head based on the cc transfered to the port and header combined then in theory it will speed up ex flow lowerdown on the ex stroke allowing the piston to travel to tdc faster on the ex stroke. Further away from the head it should have the same effect but higher up on the ex stroke and for less piston travel.
Or im going to waste a load of time and money tryingLOL
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Err,well that's a very subjective question that only you can answer

Like you I love dabbling but after spending most of my life (or at least the last 54 years ) doing all sorts from porting 2 strokes to playing with Aprilias with the odd Honda 4 thrown in I've come to several conclusions

Firstly I still have two Apes,one track Mille and a Gen 2 Tuono so I'm not hating on the brand in any way,and while I may lose the T as I hardly ever ride these days the Mille is a keeper BUT

In your case I'm afraid you seem to be tying to start from a blank sheet as it were and disregarding all the work done over the lifetime of these bikes.

There is a well developed upgrade plan for these bikes which I would recommend you follow for best results. Primarily if you have a standard single can system the first thing you really MUST do is go 2-2 or if you want to stay 2-1 get a modded collector from Mark (Redratbike) on here.

This is the fundamental building block! And unless you're a competent welder yourself just get one from Mark,why try and reinvent the wheel?

Second would be airbox mods and swapping out the ECU chip to take advantage of all this.

After that if you still fancy throwing money down the drain then a B/B kit and modded heads are next.

So,back to that question which is personal to you.    Wink


Edit:

  Just found this from a couple of years back      http://www.rsvr.net/gen-1-edwards-air-tubes_topic26268.html


 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pete 86 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 13:45
Sorry guys im not being ignorant i know that its all been done before tried and tested and reported on here.
Think i had one too many Gins lastnight and got a bit carried awayErmm.
I put it out there and got a fantastic response which i am very happy with so thank you guys. 
I think ill stick with the known collector mod and a throttle ballance for now.👍
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Clap 

And for once I wasn't trying to stir,I'm actually impressed that as far as I can remember you're only the 3rd person who thought about the air path from the front and actually decided a course of action rather than slavishly following the herd.

As for how useful it is, haven't a clue but it's staying on my bike Wink

I'm more than ever convinced suspension upgrades and rider training are the way to faster times though once the collector/airbox/chip route's been done.

Lots of others disagree though which is fine

On the other hand quite a few have voted with their feet and wallets and now frequent Kwak,KTM and Honda forums instead Approve

 
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Cheers ian.
Ill have a think about what else i might do haha.
And let you all knowWacko

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I dabbled - quite a bit cost me 2 engines but I did have a real healthy one for a while....
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Hello stranger Beer
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Hello stranger Beer

Still here Mr G Sir Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 21:04
How the devil are you Scott?

Still bikeless and playing with big turbo's?

I recently gravitated back here due to boredom and frustration due to not being able to go out,I dread to think what'll happen if the Broadband goes down while under house arrest
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

How the devil are you Scott?

Still bikeless and playing with big turbo's?

I recently gravitated back here due to boredom and frustration due to not being able to go out,I dread to think what'll happen if the Broadband goes down while under house arrest

Pm'd you :-)
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