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    Posted: 06 Jun 2023 at 17:01
After sadly having to sell my minty '01 rsvr, I've found a bike that my back allows me to ride without too much pain now and got to say I'm very impressed!

R1200RS Sport SE with all the farkles.  It's got monster torque at 92lbs-ft and about the same BHP as my outgoing Mille so acceleration is pretty similar despite it being over 30Kg heavier.  Lovely bike for those who like me can't wrap myself around a Mille due to back/hip injuries.  A bit under the radar and you don't see many on the roads but they're a better road bike than the GS which shares the same motor and frame.


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very nice

 a mate used to have an 1150gs that was chipped and being an ex racer could drag his knee on it and used to surprise a lot of power ranger types on it 

so that one you have should be even more fun 




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tidy, my aim is to get a adventure bike at some point
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Glad you got there in the end nice ride.
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Good choice given your brief and not to be sniffed at performance/handling wise. They can hustle! Well i've only ridden a 1200 GS of this age but I'm sure this is the same if not better 



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I’m 68 and the day is coming closer when considering something more comfortable, but must admit the 09Tuono isn’t as bad as a RSVR, I think going down the Triumph road would suit me , even my Yam FZ1N is more uncomfortable (seat). Good luck with the beemer .Big smile
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Thanks guys. I came to the 1200RS having previously owned both the Tiger 1200 adventure bike and the BMW R1200GSA.

Of those two, the GSA was head and shoulders better to ride than the trumpet mainly due to better balance and handling.  The Tiger was too top heavy and developed electrical faults so I got shot. The GSA is a supreme mile muncher and handles surprisingly well for its size but its just too bulky and tall.  The RS is geared differently, uses a damped output shaft so is smoother, handles even better and feels planted.  It accelerates as well as the Mille although top speed is lower, I have no interest in top speed as I don't do track days.  Build is sublime.  I'd recommend one of these to anyone looking for a sporty bike that tours effortlessly and comfortably although bar risers for me are a must to take the strain of wrists and lower back.

I did consider the newer Guzzi V100s Mandello too which is a lovely bike and ticks most of the boxes.  In some ways they're very similar to ride but on hot days I reckon the Guzzi might cook your legs!

It does use active Ohlins suspension though and sounds better than the boxer but had more vibes.

A boring choice to some, the RS ranks as one of the best do it all bikes I've so far ridden and can hustle when needed.  Overtakes are a breeze, brakes are Brembo and stop well and it has linked braking which helps stability and reduces dive a bit.

Just adding an MRA vario screen and bar risers and getting ready for a summer of enjoyable day trips out to WalesSmile
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Originally posted by snowman snowman wrote:

I’m 68 and the day is coming closer when considering something more comfortable, but must admit the 09Tuono isn’t as bad as a RSVR, I think going down the Triumph road would suit me , even my Yam FZ1N is more uncomfortable (seat). Good luck with the beemer .Big smile

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Well I'm 70 and can really sympathise with you, I can still ride my Mille on the road but it's bloody uncomfortable. On track wearing leathers and fully immersed in the riding it's not so bad as you don't realise till you get off the thing.

The Tuono is a far better bike for the road (for me and I suspect anyone else of advanced years) 

Mine's an '09 reg'd '08 model but I've just fitted rear sets and will going for flatter and straighter bars for a slightly more forward weight bias.

I never gelled with the thing previously as it was just too light and twitchy on the front for my tastes,but that was with the crappy OE suspension so hopefully with the new oil and Ktech damping internals and comp clickers it will track like I want.

If not I'll probably sell up and get back into flying sporting sailplanes as a hobby.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cwp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 11:09
Had renthal ultra low bars on my tuono,  found them better than stock. Slightly lower and wider. Fitted similar to my gsx1000s. Much more comfortable on the tuono than standard 
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Had the chance to go out for a long afternoon ride during the week taking the back roads towards Raglan.  Traffic was surprisingly heavy so will try a different route next time but it was a good shake down run of a 100 miles or so.  Bike has different suspension ESA modes as well as engine modes and for good road surfaces, I just left everything in "dynamic" which firms up damping rates, raises the rear slightly to tighten turn in, and offers the sportiest engine mapping for full torque and power from tick over upwards.

It's a bit Jeckyll and Hyde. Left in "road mode" it's a relaxed cruiser with effortless midrange punch and very stable cornering manners but a little under damped on poor surfaces.  In "dynamic mode" it feels like a completely different bike, much sportier, stunning acceleration and really capable almost sportsbike like handling.  You feel the weight but it doesn't matter as it still turns in rapidly and holds any line you chose tenaciously.  Loads of grip from the  sticky Metzler rubber and loads of feel from the suspension.  Performance can only be described as blisteringly quick, as quick as any bike I've ridden to 70, and beyond although I daresay a track day would see an RSV4 and the current crop of sports bikes leave it for dead once past 100, but up to 100?  I'd say this is as quick as anything out there thanks to more grunt than an 1100 rsv4.  

Add in the touring potential and it does seem that this little gem has largely gone under the radar. There aren't too many "do it all" type bikes out there but this has to be amongst the best of those that there is.  More character than a Versys, more comfort than the new Gixxer sport tourer and better screwed together than either of them.  Any reservations I had about going back to a boxer were completely unfounded.  This motor packs serious real world power, as much as you'd ever need or want on the road anyway.  Quickshifter was really good on full throttle up the box (this one works best if the throttle is pinned so those moaning about it probably aren't using it as it was designed to be used, ie pinned).

Beemer boxers have a bit of an image problem,  The RT is seen as an old codgers bike, the GS as a wannabe round the worlder's bike (and by far the most popular adventure bike made, even now) and the R1200/1250 and R9T both as weekend scratchers. The RS just seems to have gone largely ignored and I can't fathom why that is, given that it imho is the best of the lot of them to ride.  The RT is a more capable long haul tourer, the GS if you're brave enough to chance £18K's worth of bike off road, does have genuine off road ability but both really can't hold a candle to the riding dynamics of the RS even if they do come close.  The lack of extra weight over the other two shows as well. Slightly revised gearing and lighter weight make for sharper handling and pretty impressive shove.  On the 100 mile run it returned 60mpg too, and that included spirited riding.

Got to say, I made the right choice and am hugely enjoying it.  Have my spinal clinical assessment tomorrow and the outcome of that may determine whether I'll be fit enough to go touring next year but fingers crossed!


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Originally posted by JimmyV4 JimmyV4 wrote:

Originally posted by snowman snowman wrote:

I’m 68 and the day is coming closer when considering something more comfortable, but must admit the 09Tuono isn’t as bad as a RSVR, I think going down the Triumph road would suit me , even my Yam FZ1N is more uncomfortable (seat). Good luck with the beemer .Big smile

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im gonna hold out for as long as i can before getting a pizza delivery bike.
Good man, I’m hoping it’s still years away for me !
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That is a very cool looking BMW!! Would love to ride one, one day. Probably a bit similar to my old R1100s Boxercup (also sport touring) albeit yours is a lot faster and more comfortable!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vee60 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 13:31
Thanks.  I liked the Boxer cup, now starting to become collectable, but yes, the newer 1200 and 1250 L/C bikes are genuinely quick (90ft-lbs of torque means rapid in gear acceleration).

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With age comes maturity and the ability to think with your head not the lower appendage Wink

A factor some on here have yet to experience 

I'm wondering when I'll get the full benefit and I'm nearly 71, perhaps it got removed when I had my heart triple bypass op.  Confused

But so far I've really gelled with my sorted Tuono with a change of bars and footrests and as long as I can handle the weight and bulk of the thing it should be the last bike I ever need.

Keep doing what suits you,stick two fingers up to the pack

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Absolutely Ian.  Cross country over longer distances, typically 100 to 200 mile ride outs, I'd take either of my current bikes over my previous RSV Milles as comfort is one of the biggest factors for me.  I don't enjoy what age and injury have done to my ability to cramp myself up onto anything rearset, but surprisingly I can probably get A to B as quickly or quicker and smoother even on the old VStrom than on the older Milles.  I think doing my IAM Roadsmart training helped a lot with that though as it put a lot of polish onto the riding and I have no problems on the RS keeping up with mates on much quicker machinery.

Ride what you like, enjoy the riding.  For some, that's a sports bike, for others it's a touring bike and for me, it's something in between the two.  The old VStrom is a hoot.  Sooooo comfortable and easy to ride with a surprising turn of midrange punch keeps it very entertaining.  I'm surprised admitting that it's one of my all time favourite rides.  I can see now why they're so popular.  I'd take mine over a GS any day.  Just easier to live with.
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People underestimate the IAM training, I found it very helpful although my observer was somewhat anal about things like the correct way to park etc which led to some friction.
It certainly shows in smooth riding which pays dividends especially in the wet once one has settled into the groove. I was an associate for a year but due to changed circumstances I never took the test regrettably. That might be something I'll revisit in the future if I carry on riding.
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Yes, who you get as an observer can be a bit of a lottery.  I was lucky.  Had a very experienced younger member with his Masters certificate.  He encouraged trail braking on drier roads, offsiding under prescribed conditions and his only comment to parking was that the examiner might want to see me get off the bike and back it into a parking space then use the centrestand.  I sort of get it as paddling backwards out of a space was frowned upon and I guess it demonstrates you can man-handle the bike.  Not everyone, apparently(?) can with confidence, especially where large, heavy machinery is concerned.

I had my doubts about the IAM as previously I had considered them a group of fuddy duddy spoil sports but really, a vast majority love their biking, take every opportunity to be out riding, and are a decent bunch of people.  Very skilled.  I remember joining as an associate, being invited to my first group ride where the age range seemed to be 65 to 75.  I'm embarrassed to say I had trouble keeping up with them!  Those guys and gals really know how to make safe progress!  many in my local branch, unsurprisingly, are ex police motorcyclists or advanced police trainers.  It shows.  Many are also involved with the voluntary blood bike charity, whom I've always regarded as unsung heroes.  It didn't 
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