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    Posted: 08 May 2017 at 09:36
Hi all, need to swap the stock side stand, does anyone have a usa one or another type thats an easy swap out?

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oh, and mine is a 2003, dont know if that makes any diff.
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Honda blackbird you need to drill one small hole cheaper than a blade stand
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People have used different option in the past but the US one is by far the best, but yes also the most expensive as invariably if you get them from the USA you have big postage as well as import duties and vat to pay (Or someone else has already paid it). The beauty of the US original is that the mounting bracket is at a much better angle as well as the leg being longer and this make the bike much mores secure in use. You can also use the OE stand switch of course

 I did spot a US one on ebay last week but it may not be still there.

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Originally posted by john mac john mac wrote:

Honda blackbird you need to drill one small hole cheaper than a blade stand

Any year Blackbird or are they all the same ?
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the blackbird ones seem to be more available. does year matter and how is the fitment? and the switch?
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there's a US one on ebay for 100 quid is that the going rate?
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I think it's more what you're prepared to pay tbh,if that includes the mounting bracket and switch I suppose it's ok,as long as customs stay away if it's coming from America.

I use a no longer available aftermarket one on my Tuono but the OE American one would be my first choice if I was swapping again,followed by the 'Blade one in second place. 

 I think the 'blade ones go for around £65 if you can find one,have you asked Griff? They did stock them at one time., phone No at the top of the page  Wink
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For a genuine Aprilia US version that is about what I paid a couple of years ago with the mounting bracket. The bracket is pretty much essential (Although not always included so beware) as if you used the standard UK bracket with the longer US leg you will be worse off than before. The switch doesn't really matter as the one you already have is the same. Be good to have a spare switch though just in case however they normally seem to sell separately.

EDIT: They are pretty much like hens teeth to find so if you want one, I would jump on it.

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glad you mentioned the bracket issue as the one id seen was a us stand mounted to a 2 hole bracket. ill give that a miss then. close shave, thanks.


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Ah, I've been doing a little more digging on this recently as a mate bought one of the three hole ones which would not fit his early bike. It turns out that there are two versions of the US bracket. There was one with two mounting holes up to I think the 2000 model (But will fit later models as well). The three hole bracket came in in 2001 where the frame was modified to allow the third fixing point. Both however have the correct angle on the bracket to provide the desired offset of the leg from the bike centreline. My mate trimmed the bracket to remove the third mounting point.

If it's an early one with two holes then it will be fine for your bike whatever the age.
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Originally posted by john mac john mac wrote:


Honda blackbird you need to drill one small hole cheaper than a blade stand


That's what I got on mine. Didn't drill a hole used the one that was there and the side stand switch works fine. Think mine was mid 90s and 20 quid posted
ive just got my first vtwin and i think i got the right one
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Ah, I've been doing a little more digging on this recently as a mate bought one of the three hole ones which would not fit his early bike. It turns out that there are two versions of the US bracket. There was one with two mounting holes up to I think the 2000 model (But will fit later models as well). The three hole bracket came in in 2001 where the frame was modified to allow the third fixing point. Both however have the correct angle on the bracket to provide the desired offset of the leg from the bike centreline. My mate trimmed the bracket to remove the third mounting point.

If it's an early one with two holes then it will be fine for your bike whatever the age.
 
Your mates bracket will have been from the 2nd generation RSV (same as the 2nd generation Tuono). I know because I once bought one from the US and was assured it was from the first generation Mille, turned out to be second generation. It does fit with a bit of grinding but luckily I was able to swap mine for someone who had been sent a 1st generation bracket for their 2nd generation Tuono.
There was a two hole bracket for the very first American spec Mille's but it had some sort of third fixing point from underneath the bracket. I can't remember exactly how it worked but it definitely had the two holes in the bracket plus a third fixing point underneath.
 
Here's the USA GenII I butchered to fit a genI.
 
 
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Originally posted by FTM FTM wrote:

Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Ah, I've been doing a little more digging on this recently as a mate bought one of the three hole ones which would not fit his early bike. It turns out that there are two versions of the US bracket. There was one with two mounting holes up to I think the 2000 model (But will fit later models as well). The three hole bracket came in in 2001 where the frame was modified to allow the third fixing point. Both however have the correct angle on the bracket to provide the desired offset of the leg from the bike centreline. My mate trimmed the bracket to remove the third mounting point.

If it's an early one with two holes then it will be fine for your bike whatever the age.
 
Your mates bracket will have been from the 2nd generation RSV (same as the 2nd generation Tuono). I know because I once bought one from the US and was assured it was from the first generation Mille, turned out to be second generation. It does fit with a bit of grinding but luckily I was able to swap mine for someone who had been sent a 1st generation bracket for their 2nd generation Tuono.
There was a two hole bracket for the very first American spec Mille's but it had some sort of third fixing point from underneath the bracket. I can't remember exactly how it worked but it definitely had the two holes in the bracket plus a third fixing point underneath.


No, it was definitely a late Gen1 3 bolt fixing stand but he simply trimmed the excess of with a grinder to make it the same as the early 2 bolt one - job done. No extra mount on the underside in my experience it just fits the same as the UK ones do. You can actually see the different ones if you research the parts catalogues for the US items which is where I got the definitive information from.

However now you mention it, I do remember seeing a 2 bolt fixing one with some sort of support bracket for the underside, I guess this is what you were referring to. I presume they just got rid of that support bracket after the very first ones, as I have now seen a number of the 2 bolt fixing versions without that support.


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The 3 bolt fixing ones I've seen pictures of use the standard 2 bolt fixing they all use but also a longer bolt in the next up crankcase pattern for added support


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Yep, that's how mine is and all the 3 bolt ones I have seen however there is definitely a 2 bolt US version from the earlier bikes. When you dig though Aprilia have loads of different part numbers for different model years whether it be the UK or the USA versions. However we all know that they regularly changed part numbers even when the part did not change so it is a bit of a minefield.

Interestingly, the Gen2 one that FTM posted a photo of above does not look like any of the Gen2 ones shown in the parts catalogue although I have seen them listed as Gen2 items in the past!

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That looks correct to me. It's the early version so will fit all Gen1's and it will use your existing switch.
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cool, thanks. 

expensive for a metal stick but worth it for the peace of mind i guess.


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When you look at that and think about the weight/leverage acting upon it you can see why they went to 3 bolt mounting for safety Confused

I've never given it a thought before but the forces involved must be quite large

Aprilia working on the Lotus principle but instead driven by the accountants I guess


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so howcome the US has a 3 bolt bracket then? wont that mount on ours? ive got an '03.

if it will work then it would be better surely.....
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The 3 bolt one will fit on 2001 onwards bikes but early bikes had the engine bolt recessed into the frame. The frames was modded later to allow the third mounting to be used. I wouldn't worry about using the two bolt version as all the early US bikes had them as well as most of the UK ones. The main issue is the orientation of stand by the angle of the bracket and length of the leg. In use, remember all the forces are static (Well maybe some gusts of wind).

How long will you need to wait though if you want to find a 3 bolt one?
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Yeah,two bolt works ok, I'm just looking at it with an engineers hat on Wink


If I was thinking of spending that sort of money ,given what I know about Aprilia stands in general ( not a lot LOL) personally I'd be going for a 3 bolt mounting


But needs must,a 2 bolt will be fine,everybody not using a genuine USA stand has a 2 bolt mounting,me included and they're still attached so they work fine.

I just like the belt and braces principle,at the time I bought mine the USA stand was still an unknown
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by FTM FTM wrote:

Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Ah, I've been doing a little more digging on this recently as a mate bought one of the three hole ones which would not fit his early bike. It turns out that there are two versions of the US bracket. There was one with two mounting holes up to I think the 2000 model (But will fit later models as well). The three hole bracket came in in 2001 where the frame was modified to allow the third fixing point. Both however have the correct angle on the bracket to provide the desired offset of the leg from the bike centreline. My mate trimmed the bracket to remove the third mounting point.

If it's an early one with two holes then it will be fine for your bike whatever the age.
 
Your mates bracket will have been from the 2nd generation RSV (same as the 2nd generation Tuono). I know because I once bought one from the US and was assured it was from the first generation Mille, turned out to be second generation. It does fit with a bit of grinding but luckily I was able to swap mine for someone who had been sent a 1st generation bracket for their 2nd generation Tuono.
There was a two hole bracket for the very first American spec Mille's but it had some sort of third fixing point from underneath the bracket. I can't remember exactly how it worked but it definitely had the two holes in the bracket plus a third fixing point underneath.


No, it was definitely a late Gen1 3 bolt fixing stand but he simply trimmed the excess of with a grinder to make it the same as the early 2 bolt one - job done. No extra mount on the underside in my experience it just fits the same as the UK ones do. You can actually see the different ones if you research the parts catalogues for the US items which is where I got the definitive information from.

However now you mention it, I do remember seeing a 2 bolt fixing one with some sort of support bracket for the underside, I guess this is what you were referring to. I presume they just got rid of that support bracket after the very first ones, as I have now seen a number of the 2 bolt fixing versions without that support.


 
You know what, it was about 10 years ago I had that stand and I might be getting confused but I'm sure I swapped it for USA GenI stand that Nooj (who's on this forum I believe) had. Here's the only other photo I have of it, it's a bit blurry though. You can't tell from the photo but it didn't fit until I took a grinder to it. Thinking about it, didn't Nooj have a Falco, maybe it was a USA Falco sidestand!
 
I've fitted USA side stands to all 3 GenI Tuono's I've owned.
 
USA Bracket for GenI Tuono.
 
And you also need a 10mm longer bolt for the top fixing.
 
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